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scottopic ([personal profile] scottopic) wrote2006-03-28 04:57 pm

V: the Mask.

Ok, the detritus out of the way before I hit the deeper points.

Semi-spoilers, but only very general, contained within. I’ve posted them as white on white so you can highlight them to see them.

Yes, there was some divergence from the graphic novel. Some of this was obvious for time, translation to the screen and reinterpretation by the filmmakers.
I will state here that I find any mad assertion of authenticity is as silly as insisting on authenticity from a local Tex-Mex restaurant. Who cares?
Did you like the damn taquitos or not?
Not all of it worked. Parts that I liked were left out, too – the speech to the citizens of London left out the employer-employee metaphor I appreciated.
Drug references were removed. Even aspects of V’s final philosophy were changed (however slightly), in some ways I liked better, others I preferred from the novel.
So yes – if you’re looking to go the angle on differences from the book, in and of themselves, do reinforce them with why this makes for a problem. There are problems – elaborate on them!
“Not like the book” – ya know, literalism? Earth in five days? I’ll throw one out there – while I’m ever so glad they didn’t go all Hollywood and show his face, I think they revealed too much detail all the same.

And on Alan Moore:
I acknowledge his influence on the comic medium and the direction of graphics novels. It’s undeniable. He’s a vivid storyteller, a visionary and has put forth some brilliant ideas.
But when it comes to my taste, I’ve specifically loved two of his works: From Hell and V. Watchmen was incredibly important, yes, and I’ve enjoyed various bits from many things he’s produced, but he’s not my patron saint of comics or any other corner of the arts. When I hear him disavowing a piece of his work, it sometimes sounds more like a play for safety – the movie sucks, so he doesn’t want his name attached to it, sure – or just playing it safe in case it does. Some interviews make it seem like that his pristine vision has varied some, or business disagreements have tainted his view on the art.
All of these things are within his right, of course, but it doesn’t impact my critique of the film in a significant way. I think, ultimately, he’s just being a prima donna.

"Behind this mask is a man, and behind this man is an idea. And ideas are bulletproof."


To place too much value on these points is to care so very much about the mask. Don't get me wrong - there is a mask, and it merits viewing, discussing and evaluating...but there's the man, and the idea.
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[personal profile] adrienmundi 2006-03-28 10:05 pm (UTC)(link)
For years, I didn't read much Alan Moore. I'd read V since it was in imported Warrior mags (dude, I was an elitist among elitist geeks), and always attributed a similar degree of "Fuck yeah!" to what I imagined he was writing. I remember reading Watchmen and thinking, "That was it?" As I encountered more Moore (heh), I realized that the only work of his I really liked was V. I agree that he does seem very taken with the idea of his own importance; hell, he makes Grant Morrison look like a shrinking violet.

So long as the angry, political, nihlism in the service of generative change, revolutionary aspects are there, I suspect I won't hate it. So long as V himself is cool, creepy, and crazier than any flavor of Batman, I suspect I'll like it.

[identity profile] scottopic.livejournal.com 2006-03-28 10:08 pm (UTC)(link)
I think the graphic novel was very valid for its time, and includes timeless elements.
My preference lies in how it's been updated, not only for the moment, but as we learn more cumulatively.

[identity profile] jah-lila.livejournal.com 2006-03-28 10:13 pm (UTC)(link)
hell, he makes Grant Morrison look like a shrinking violet.

Ha!
Very funny.
And true.

[identity profile] speaks.livejournal.com 2006-03-29 12:59 am (UTC)(link)
The irony of your statement with an Invisible's Icon is delicious.

Although sadly, Invisibles was where something started to eat Grant's brain. There wasn't much left for The Filth. Has he put out anything cool since?

I long for the days of Animal Man and Doom Patrol.

[identity profile] jah-lila.livejournal.com 2006-03-29 02:48 pm (UTC)(link)
I don't know. The last thing I read from him was The Invisibles.
Which I loved.

I also really loved Arkham Asylum. And Kill Your Boyfriend. And some of his JLA was really good. That might have come out after The Invisibles - I don't remember the timing.

[identity profile] scottopic.livejournal.com 2006-03-29 02:51 pm (UTC)(link)
He's my favorite comic author. He's made some mistakes and missteps, but damn...I love his stuff.
Despite the person to whom you're responding, if you liked the Invisibles, The Filth may be up your alley.

[identity profile] catholicpsyche.livejournal.com 2006-03-30 06:36 am (UTC)(link)


Love Grant.

Grant Morrison

[identity profile] speaks.livejournal.com 2006-03-29 03:26 pm (UTC)(link)
All of the above was good. JLA was pre-Invisibles I am pretty sure. I really love how Grant takes old often silly characters from the silver age and makes them cool

(Mirror Master, Starro the Conquerer)

Re: Grant Morrison

[identity profile] scottopic.livejournal.com 2006-03-29 03:41 pm (UTC)(link)
You might be interested in his more recent Seven Soldiers workings - he takes some largely secondary characters and reworks them in 7 mini-series that all link (but stand on their own).