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[scottopic]

Do you donate (time/money/materials) to any environmental causes?
If so, which?

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[physicaljerx.livejournal.com]

sopo bicycle cooperative, of course.

[fey-touched.livejournal.com]

World Wildlife Fund, Sierra Club this year. I've also donated to the Nature Conservancy and Greenpeace in past years, but we're tightening our belts a little.

[morbid-o.livejournal.com]

Money, through the combined federal whatsit. I forget which org I specified, bringing the total amount of info in this reply to -5.

[servingdonuts.livejournal.com]

No.

Hope this helped. :)

[servingdonuts.livejournal.com]

Since the dead guy brought it up first, I'll call our contributions to United Yorkie Rescue an "environmental" cause. Because environmentalism is all about cute animals, right?

We might be inclined to contribute to various mostly-private conservation efforts like Nature Conservancy and Georgia Conservancy and other land trusts, but we aren't doing so at the moment.

[theinnocence.livejournal.com]

i pick up trash :D

[martinhesselius.livejournal.com]

Done some clean-ups/hhw round-ups, public classes, etc.
Also passed on word about wildlife rehab, etc.
(But I feel like I should so more.)

[unrepentant.livejournal.com]

Ahisma House
Good Mews
Tiger Haven (money AND design stuff for them)
and a few others.

[scottopic.livejournal.com]

Ahisma House looks damned cool - I'd not heard of it before.

[unrepentant.livejournal.com]

Yeah, they rule. WIsh I could get on staff at Tiger Haven. I'd play with them kitties.

[hippieatheart.livejournal.com]

You probably could have guessed that I did/do.

In the past, I have given money to:

Sierra Club (good environmental advocates, large membership, significant voice)
The Nature Conservancy (Conserving environmentally-valuable land)
The Georgia Conservancy (Like the Nature Conservancy, but specific to Georgia)
Upper Chattahoochee Riverkeepers (We know someone who works there)

I have also done some volunteer work for the Sierra Club in the past.

Another organization of which I have a growing fondness is the Environmental Defense Fund (http://www.environmentaldefense.org/home.cfm). They do a lot of great environmental work while tempered with a decent degree of realism.

While I can admire their spirit and intentions, I just have some issues with some of the kinds of things Greenpeace does. Also, it seems they have a tendency to overlook the bigger picture and can be somewhat misinformed on issues.

Hope this helps.

[scottopic.livejournal.com]

Actually, my dad is very active with the Upper Chattahoochee Riverkeepers, and my paying my membership dues made me think upon this! (He met her at one of their functions - always disorienting for me when different spheres of my life overlap)

I heard someone making an argument that the Sierra Club and Greenpeace are effectively terrorists -- it made me laugh and pissed me off. I may not agree with every iota of every position, but trying to draw parallels by singular attributes is lame.
Always been a fan of the Nature Conservancy - it's just sounds on principle.
Also looking at the carbon-fund type stuff that Adrien has brought to my attention.

[adrienmundi]

I'm a fan of EDF, as well. I think I'm a member still (not sure), but I also toss money at their specific projects (most recently, to preserve ocelot habitat in southern Texas). They seem to be able to take general environmental concern and balance it with specifics, in ways that help on both the small and large scale, and I like that.

[rhino777.livejournal.com]

Gotta help out my peeps (http://www.rhinos-irf.org/index.htm)

[scottopic.livejournal.com]

haha, that rocks.

[mad-jamison.livejournal.com]

I do take the time to recycle all my recyclables and I wash them first as well. Most of my spare time goes to kids with disabilities.

[wanderingastray.livejournal.com]

Good Mews
Ducks Unlimited

[merenda.livejournal.com]

Sierra Club
Greenpeace
Our local humane society (http://www.hsjc.com)! - web site hosting and design for them also. :)

And a ton of animal rights groups. We also have an ASPCA Visa card, so a percentage of our purchases go to them.

Oh, and we're also vegan, which is one of *the biggest* things you can do for the environment. :)

Take care,
-Frank

[servingdonuts.livejournal.com]

You'd probably get better results by dropping the ASPCA Visa card, shopping around for a card with competitive rates and fees, and just writing a check to the ASPCA. Affinity cards give a (small) percentage of purchases to the affiliated charity but carry a significantly larger interest rate, so if you carry a balance most of your money is going to the bank, not the charity. If you took the savings you got by switching to a different card and sent all of it to the charity, they would end up with more than what they're getting now through the affinity program.

[merenda.livejournal.com]

I totally agree, and you are 100% correct. But we don't carry balances and don't use the card a lot. We were going to drop this card before when it was associated with something else and that program ended. Then they switched it over to the ASPCA, so we kept it, since we have had it for like 12 years and it is great to have that on our credit report. But you are totally correct, writing a check directly to the ASPCA is much better. We do also write out checks to them on a normal basis. :)

Take care,
-Frank

[mbk-v2.livejournal.com]

-National Arbor Day Foundation
-Humane Society
-I stay on the ass of our government officials to DO SOMETHING about environmental issues / global warming - as well as doing my part in informing others of the issues at hand.
- And I do my part in my own home to conserve - gas, electricity, emissions (all the little things that do add up).

[hdiandrew.livejournal.com]

Too long to list them all, but here are a few I've worked with that no one else has mentioned. These all do some good work, though some have interests other than sustainability:

Atlanta Bicycle Campaign
Atlanta Biofuels
Environmental Design Research Association
PIRG
Southface

Also, the Georgia Sierra Club is supposed to be having an open house at its office on Saturday, and it has also begun a free beer night at Raging Burrito. I have heard good things about the beer night, though I have not gone myself. Not sure when the next one is.

[hippieatheart.livejournal.com]

Sierra Club does their Sierra Club and Beer gatherings once every couple months. I went a couple times when they had it back at Teaspace in Little 5 Oddly enough, my team won the environmental trivia contest both times I went. I think they were a little freaked out when I actually calculated the amount of CO2 emissions from a gallon of gasoline using numbers from the top of my head instead of just guessing one of the numbers provided.

[dustyskinandall.livejournal.com]

Chattahoochee River Keeper and the Surfrider Foundation.

I also have plans to volunteer at a wolf rescue in Western NC.

[dustyskinandall.livejournal.com]

And my pets usually come from the Humane Society. ;)

Coast Guard...

[achasonc.livejournal.com]

Just the other day, I tracked a vessel that was spilling oil into traffic lanes.

[d0minique.livejournal.com]

I do volunteer work with the Alabama Wildlife Rehabilitation Center..

Depends on your definition of environmental

[ripebastard.livejournal.com]

I donate to the Singularity Institute

http://www.singinst.org/donate.html

Because Strong AI will make environmental issues a moot point.

As in a Friendly Strong AI could simply fix all problems with the environment as opposed to an unfriendly AI devouring the earth with self replicating nanobots or hurling the planet into the sun.

Besides... Earth only has a few million years left in it before the atmosphere is ripped off by solar winds or the earth core dies by slow entrophy. Environmentalists are always concerned about leaving a better earth for their kids, but I think I'm more concerned for the beings that maybe around in 10^99 billion years.

Heck... Chances are we are going to be hit by an asteroid/meteor/meteroid in the next hundred or thousand years or maybe a gamma ray burst killing all life on the Earth for a bit. So I think we should focus on more far reaching issues such as space programs and robotics.

That and if we don't solve the problem of Heat Death there won't be any sentient beings left in the Universe...

Ok so I'm expanding the problem a bit, but I like to think long term... But seriously, existential risks are often more than just picking up trash and deflecting neutron stars explosions.

But otherwise... I swept my stoop in front of my house and got rid of the trash of trash the other day in front of my house. I hope that helps.

Re: Depends on your definition of environmental

[servingdonuts.livejournal.com]

I'm not too concerned about the megafuture issues. People (or robots) much smarter and vastly wealthier than us will find good ways to handle them.

I'm also not too worried about most of the potential near-future issues, like global warming and toxic waste and air pollution and deforestation. People moderately smarter and significantly wealther than us will solve them, in ways we can now only just barely realistically speculate about.

I'm mostly worried about the things that will make our near-term descendants dumber or poorer, depriving them of the resources to solve the problems they'll face. Things like trade barriers, obstacles to education/information/research/discovery, and malaria. The better we do at solving those problems now, the better our grandkids will do at solving environmental and ecological problems later.

Re: Depends on your definition of environmental

[scottopic.livejournal.com]

consider the viewpoint of dumping it on our offspring or their offspring
...abhorrent.

Re: Depends on your definition of environmental

[servingdonuts.livejournal.com]

Why? They'll be able to solve it much better than we will. And if we try to solve it now, we'll be diverting resources away from what they'll need in order to solve it (and many other things as well).

Which would you rather leave for your kids: a small pile of manure and a shovel, or a slightly larger but still rather small pile of manure and a backhoe? We might disagree about the sizes of the various legacies (you perhaps think the choice is between a small pile and a shovel versus a huge pile and a slightly larger shovel), but surely you'd agree that, if my view of the relative sizes is correct, "dumping it" on our descendents is doing them a favor whereas trying to "fix" it now would do them harm.

Do you see that it is arguably not abhorrent?

Re: Depends on your definition of environmental

[scottopic.livejournal.com]

The point was that some things are irreversible, it is ~already~ unacceptable, and each step in that direction is a worse condition for that time.
I don't consider it a small pile with a shovel vs. large pile with a backhoe, it is a large pile already, and may become an insurmountable obstacle, or do more significant damage which cannot be fixed. Whether there are shovels, backhoes or an electromagnetic massdriver - I do not have confidence it will be used appropriately or in a timely fashion without continuing to support the causes which educate, research and lobby for changes now, even if it is a marginal change. Even disregarding that, any sort of tool of the future has to be built assuming progress today for such technologies and techniques. There are already ecosystems of enormous size and significance that are destroyed, which impact their own areas, the global ecosystem, not to mention the existence value of such systems, the species that can (or once could be) found in them and the impact upon humans by way of the food chain (outright supply of food, quality of life, contamination by chemicals) and appreciation for nature itself.
This is already happening, and it is already unacceptably bad. This isn't theory, this is the yellow bubble you see when you look down on Atlanta, the mercury in fish supplies and that you can pretty much walk across some major river systems without divine assistance, and I honestly don't give a damn if it could theoretically be fixed in some future, it is causing harm now, and I feel nearly compelled to do ~something.~

Suffice it to say, this post has provided minimal surprises.

Re: Depends on your definition of environmental

[servingdonuts.livejournal.com]

I feel nearly compelled to do ~something.~

No doubt. Hence your original post, I imagine. Have you figured out yet what it is you'll do? What thoughts do you have about how you'll decide what to do, i.e. what criteria you'll use?

Suffice it to say, this post has provided minimal surprises.

You know me so well. :)

Re: Depends on your definition of environmental

[ripebastard.livejournal.com]

The point was that some things are irreversible, it is ~already~ unacceptable, and each step in that direction is a worse condition for that time.

I tend to be an optimist on things like this... I'd say we there is never a point of no return and that we can turn the tides if our technology advances to such a level. From the information I have gathered, solar power will take off in 2007 or 2008. I was suprised the other day driving down the highway and saw a single house in Philly with electric (not the heating water type) solar panels on its roof in the middle of South Philly. Hopefully the technology will get cheap enough to be able to do what we need to do.

Ray Kurzweil speculates we only need to be able to capture 2% of the Sun's energy that hits the earth to meet today's power requirments with soloar cells. It just needs to get cheap enough. Like Moore's law this technology will get that cheap. Anyways... Thats why I think the Singularity Institute is that important. Mostly if we can create intelligence more powerful than ourselves or at least integrate it in our tools (you know like Google on steriods) we'll be able to overcome or reverse any problem.

Re: Depends on your definition of environmental

[scottopic.livejournal.com]

See, the point where I see eye-to-eye with you on this is that concept: I believe in the capacity to either prolong existence indefinitely ~or~ prove to my satisfaction that consciousness or some portion of it can and does continue beyond physical death.
I have beliefs about it, but those "4am can't sleep" moments really haunt me.
So I take it you recommend Kurzweil's most recent book?

Re: Depends on your definition of environmental

[servingdonuts.livejournal.com]

... and naieve is about the last thing I'd consider you, politely or otherwise. But if you insist, I suppose I could. :)

Re: Depends on your definition of environmental

[servingdonuts.livejournal.com]

Also, about heat death: the jury's still out, but there's reason to think we can beat this one. Freeman Dyson speculates (with a lot of math) that our collective future living entity can 1) slow its metabolism and 2) hibernate such that no matter how slow and cold the universe gets we can become (essentially) slower and colder, so that our subjective experience of time remains both constant and infinite.

Details (with a lot of math) are here (http://www.aleph.se/Trans/Global/Omega/dyson.txt). A very short summary is on Wikipedia, of course (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dyson%27s_eternal_intelligence).

Dyson's ideas are old and may not fit with the latest evidence and theories. But there's still hope. See here (http://www.imminst.org/forum/index.php?s=&act=ST&f=89&t=725&#entry14836) for much much more on the topic from many many other smart people.

[scottopic.livejournal.com]

That's nice, but I consider the environmental issues as they are to be ~already~ unacceptable, and consider the viewpoint of dumping it on our offspring or their offspring. I am not convinced there will be enough to save, that there won't be a corner we don't cross which will be irreversible (whether total catastrophe or simply having more irreversibly destroyed and negatively altered than they already are). So while you'll very kindly and politely consider me naive, you'll have to excuse me while I remain so.

[bookwitch.livejournal.com]

We give when we can to the NC Zoo; they do a lot of conservation and rescue work.

OK, you can get up off the floor now. I hope I didn't startle you with my sudden commenting after who knows how long. *heh*

[gehen-kaizen.livejournal.com]

arborday.org
and they give me lots of trees to plant.